Comments on: Suffering followed by glory http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/ reformed spirituality and missional church Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:14:58 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Daniel Turner http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/#comment-6354 Daniel Turner Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:40:17 +0000 http://timchester.wordpress.com/?p=1083#comment-6354 Clarification achieved and received...thank you my brother Clarification achieved and received…thank you my brother

]]> By: Tim Chester http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/#comment-6353 Tim Chester Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:06:04 +0000 http://timchester.wordpress.com/?p=1083#comment-6353 Hi Dan, good questions. First, 'The Ordinary Hero' was in the end the publishers choice. I was happy with 'Living the Cross and Resurrection', but maybe that is not catchy enough to sell copies. The reason we went for the singular is that we felt 'Ordinary Heroes' sounded like a book of biographies. Not a very profound reason, but there you go! There was more thought behind 'negative emotions' and the thoughts were mine. The reason is that I suspect a lot of people do not see their anger or despondency or bitterness as sinful. They see such emotions as natural and inevitable consequences of their circumstances. They would like to change them, but don't recognize their own culpability. The book itself, of course, challenges this (and therefore offers hope for change). But if you think your emotions are not sinful then you won't buy a book on sinful emotions - though you might buy a book on negative emotions. So you need to show people the true nature of their problem and you need more than a sub-title to do that. Hi Dan, good questions. First, ‘The Ordinary Hero’ was in the end the publishers choice. I was happy with ‘Living the Cross and Resurrection’, but maybe that is not catchy enough to sell copies. The reason we went for the singular is that we felt ‘Ordinary Heroes’ sounded like a book of biographies. Not a very profound reason, but there you go!

There was more thought behind ‘negative emotions’ and the thoughts were mine. The reason is that I suspect a lot of people do not see their anger or despondency or bitterness as sinful. They see such emotions as natural and inevitable consequences of their circumstances. They would like to change them, but don’t recognize their own culpability. The book itself, of course, challenges this (and therefore offers hope for change). But if you think your emotions are not sinful then you won’t buy a book on sinful emotions – though you might buy a book on negative emotions. So you need to show people the true nature of their problem and you need more than a sub-title to do that.

]]> By: Daniel Turner http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/#comment-6350 Daniel Turner Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:00:47 +0000 http://timchester.wordpress.com/?p=1083#comment-6350 Tim, God's grace in Jesus comes to many of us through your writings. Thank you my brother. Two questions for clarification. 1. The Ordinary Hero. Excellent book. Confusing title. Your last sentence in your introduction talks about "ordinary heroes". The plural nicely brings out community aspect of living the cross and resurrection. Your title seems to take us in a more individualistic aspect. Any thoughts? 2. You can change. Excellent book. Confusing subtitle. Is there significance in the shift from "sinful" behaviour to "negative" emotions? Are you using negative synonymous with sinful or ungodly? Any thoughts? Two questions with no ill intent. I've read 5 books now of yours...and whichever one I'm currently (re)reading is my favorite. Thank you so much for your love for Christ, His Word, His people and His glory. Dan Tim,

God’s grace in Jesus comes to many of us through your writings. Thank you my brother.

Two questions for clarification.

1. The Ordinary Hero. Excellent book. Confusing title. Your last sentence in your introduction talks about “ordinary heroes”. The plural nicely brings out community aspect of living the cross and resurrection. Your title seems to take us in a more individualistic aspect. Any thoughts?

2. You can change. Excellent book. Confusing subtitle. Is there significance in the shift from “sinful” behaviour to “negative” emotions? Are you using negative synonymous with sinful or ungodly? Any thoughts?

Two questions with no ill intent. I’ve read 5 books now of yours…and whichever one I’m currently (re)reading is my favorite. Thank you so much for your love for Christ, His Word, His people and His glory.

Dan

]]> By: Tim Chester http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/#comment-6304 Tim Chester Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:04:13 +0000 http://timchester.wordpress.com/?p=1083#comment-6304 I'm afraid I don't. It's not been published in the US. My best recommendations is to buy it from <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1844743772/ref=nosim?tag=timche-21" rel="nofollow">Amazon UK</a>. Or you could try <a href="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/The-Ordinary-Hero-toh_1037/" rel="nofollow">The Good Book Company</a> - I think their shipping rates might be cheaper. (The Good Book Company have launched <a href="http://www.thegoodbook.com/" rel="nofollow">a US website</a>, but it only sells their own resources.) I'm not entirely sure what new book your source is referring to. But my best guess is The Gospel-Centred Life which Steve and I have co-written as a followed up to <a href="http://www.thegoodbook.com/gospel-centred-church-the" rel="nofollow">The Gospel-Centred Church</a>. We've finished the manuscript, but I'm not sure when it will be released. I’m afraid I don’t. It’s not been published in the US. My best recommendations is to buy it from Amazon UK. Or you could try The Good Book Company – I think their shipping rates might be cheaper. (The Good Book Company have launched a US website, but it only sells their own resources.)

I’m not entirely sure what new book your source is referring to. But my best guess is The Gospel-Centred Life which Steve and I have co-written as a followed up to The Gospel-Centred Church. We’ve finished the manuscript, but I’m not sure when it will be released.

]]> By: Chuck Land http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/#comment-6301 Chuck Land Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:56:59 +0000 http://timchester.wordpress.com/?p=1083#comment-6301 Tim, I love your writings. Total Church and You Can Change are still messing with me after a 2nd and 3rd read. Very excited about this new book. Do you know when we will be able to buy it in the US for under $50.00? That's all US Amazon has it for right now. Also heard from someone that you Steve Timms have another book coming out is that true and if so any word on that? Thanks Chuck Land Tim,

I love your writings. Total Church and You Can Change are still messing with me after a 2nd and 3rd read. Very excited about this new book. Do you know when we will be able to buy it in the US for under $50.00? That’s all US Amazon has it for right now.

Also heard from someone that you Steve Timms have another book coming out is that true and if so any word on that?

Thanks

Chuck Land

]]> By: Suggested Reading: Suffering Followed by Glory « Hermeneutica http://timchester.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/suffering-followed-by-glory/#comment-6207 Suggested Reading: Suffering Followed by Glory « Hermeneutica Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:57:56 +0000 http://timchester.wordpress.com/?p=1083#comment-6207 [...] Tim Chester has kindly made chapter 12 from his latest book The Ordinary Hero available on his blog. The chapter is entitled ‘Suffering Followed by Glory – The Pattern for [...] [...] Tim Chester has kindly made chapter 12 from his latest book The Ordinary Hero available on his blog. The chapter is entitled ‘Suffering Followed by Glory – The Pattern for [...]

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