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		<title>By: Deleted from the Map and a post on Architecture and Town Planning &#171; Confessions of an Undercover Theologian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deleted from the Map and a post on Architecture and Town Planning &#171; Confessions of an Undercover Theologian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Tim Chester&#8217;s blog he&#8217;s posted about &#8220;a kingdom perspective on architecture and town planning&#8220;. Community is a big theme in current urban theory and Dave Bish draws together with some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Christian town planner in the UK - trained in Sheffield, used to be involved in the Association of Christians in Planning and Architecture, which sadly I believe is now defunct but which in the 80s and 90s did some useful thinking around these issues.

I was struck by how your ideas for a Christian approach are very similar to current ideas in planning practice and even Government policy in the UK. Pedestrian-friendly environments and mixed use developments, for example, are positively encouraged. Creating shared space in the home is an interesting one, more the province of housebuilders who will follow consumer demand rather than something planners can influence.

On front yards, I&#039;d agree there&#039;s definitely a climatic element there. But a big difference between the US and UK is of course that the UK is much smaller, space is limited (and therefore expensive), and that is reflected in smaller homes and higher densities.

I agree absolutely that while planning can encourage community, it can&#039;t create it. It works best by working with the grain of culture than against it, so I&#039;m not sure we&#039;ll see a front yard culture in the UK anytime some. Radical urban ideas in the past haven&#039;t always worked, even with the best of intentions (remember tower blocks?). We can redeem the city, but we need redeemed people to live in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Christian town planner in the UK &#8211; trained in Sheffield, used to be involved in the Association of Christians in Planning and Architecture, which sadly I believe is now defunct but which in the 80s and 90s did some useful thinking around these issues.</p>
<p>I was struck by how your ideas for a Christian approach are very similar to current ideas in planning practice and even Government policy in the UK. Pedestrian-friendly environments and mixed use developments, for example, are positively encouraged. Creating shared space in the home is an interesting one, more the province of housebuilders who will follow consumer demand rather than something planners can influence.</p>
<p>On front yards, I&#8217;d agree there&#8217;s definitely a climatic element there. But a big difference between the US and UK is of course that the UK is much smaller, space is limited (and therefore expensive), and that is reflected in smaller homes and higher densities.</p>
<p>I agree absolutely that while planning can encourage community, it can&#8217;t create it. It works best by working with the grain of culture than against it, so I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;ll see a front yard culture in the UK anytime some. Radical urban ideas in the past haven&#8217;t always worked, even with the best of intentions (remember tower blocks?). We can redeem the city, but we need redeemed people to live in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen &#039;Kevin&#039;s Big Town Plan&#039; on Channel 4? It&#039;s about the attempts to regenerate Castleford (northern English ex-mining town, struggling economically and socially, typical of many in the region) through nine architectural design projects. Last week was all about a#the building of a new, and very attractive, bridge across the River Aire.

I will be interested to watch the series and see how the kind of principles you&#039;ve outlined Tim will or will not be reflected in the projects they undertake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen &#8216;Kevin&#8217;s Big Town Plan&#8217; on Channel 4? It&#8217;s about the attempts to regenerate Castleford (northern English ex-mining town, struggling economically and socially, typical of many in the region) through nine architectural design projects. Last week was all about a#the building of a new, and very attractive, bridge across the River Aire.</p>
<p>I will be interested to watch the series and see how the kind of principles you&#8217;ve outlined Tim will or will not be reflected in the projects they undertake.</p>
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		<title>By: dave miers dot com &#187; Jesus Life Culture Design #10</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave miers dot com &#187; Jesus Life Culture Design #10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: archshrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>archshrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a &lt;b&gt;conversion&lt;/b&gt; with David Fairchild&quot; or was that a conversation?

I was going to wait until Sunday to discuss this in person but I couldn&#039;t let that particular typo go ignored.

This is similar arguments that the great architectural minds of the past 50+ years have been &quot;preaching&quot;.  Essentially, architecture can change people.  I realize your point was more about opportunity for fellowship and community (&lt;i&gt;&quot;Architecture and town planning cannot of themselves create community. But they can facilitate the flourishing of community or they can impede community.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;) but one question people seem to never ask is &quot;why don&#039;t they?&quot;

Why don&#039;t people seek out the neighborhoods that foster community?  Most of my brothers and sisters (like David, Drew, etc) look at their home as a place for fellowship and gathering.  When we were looking for a home, our budget limited us to a condo.  one of our top priorities was a place that offered lots of guest parking - because we wanted to gather.

But there&#039;s something to be said for the solitude.  One, we need a time and place for meditation.  If we&#039;re constantly in the thick of it, quiet study becomes difficult.  And, much like the &quot;problem of evil&quot;, without solitude, we wouldn&#039;t miss community as much.

I fear I may be rambling now and that I&#039;m not reacting to you as much to my many years of architecture schooling.

Should Christians seek community? yes.  Does architecture and urban planning prevent that?  no, but it does not encourage christian/non-christian interaction.  And maybe that was your point all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a <b>conversion</b> with David Fairchild&#8221; or was that a conversation?</p>
<p>I was going to wait until Sunday to discuss this in person but I couldn&#8217;t let that particular typo go ignored.</p>
<p>This is similar arguments that the great architectural minds of the past 50+ years have been &#8220;preaching&#8221;.  Essentially, architecture can change people.  I realize your point was more about opportunity for fellowship and community (<i>&#8220;Architecture and town planning cannot of themselves create community. But they can facilitate the flourishing of community or they can impede community.&#8221;</i>) but one question people seem to never ask is &#8220;why don&#8217;t they?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t people seek out the neighborhoods that foster community?  Most of my brothers and sisters (like David, Drew, etc) look at their home as a place for fellowship and gathering.  When we were looking for a home, our budget limited us to a condo.  one of our top priorities was a place that offered lots of guest parking &#8211; because we wanted to gather.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s something to be said for the solitude.  One, we need a time and place for meditation.  If we&#8217;re constantly in the thick of it, quiet study becomes difficult.  And, much like the &#8220;problem of evil&#8221;, without solitude, we wouldn&#8217;t miss community as much.</p>
<p>I fear I may be rambling now and that I&#8217;m not reacting to you as much to my many years of architecture schooling.</p>
<p>Should Christians seek community? yes.  Does architecture and urban planning prevent that?  no, but it does not encourage christian/non-christian interaction.  And maybe that was your point all along.</p>
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		<title>By: David Capener</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Capener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Tim.  Fascinating stuff.  I trained as an Architect and have always been interested in how as Christians we can do &#039;kingdom&#039; Architecture.  I look forward to reading this book.  For more on American urban design - Mike Davis has written some great books like City of quartz.  There is also a book by Timothy Gorringe looking at a theology of the built environment.  http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Sx2xpTTNh_0C&amp;dq=Timothy+J+Gorringe&amp;pg=PP1&amp;ots=6AN7pFgFBy&amp;sig=t8qfcDoy2X5z75PvxR5C-ATB3Q8&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Tim.  Fascinating stuff.  I trained as an Architect and have always been interested in how as Christians we can do &#8216;kingdom&#8217; Architecture.  I look forward to reading this book.  For more on American urban design &#8211; Mike Davis has written some great books like City of quartz.  There is also a book by Timothy Gorringe looking at a theology of the built environment.  <a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Sx2xpTTNh_0C&amp;dq=Timothy+J+Gorringe&amp;pg=PP1&amp;ots=6AN7pFgFBy&amp;sig=t8qfcDoy2X5z75PvxR5C-ATB3Q8&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Sx2xpTTNh_0C&amp;dq=Timothy+J+Gorringe&amp;pg=PP1&amp;ots=6AN7pFgFBy&amp;sig=t8qfcDoy2X5z75PvxR5C-ATB3Q8&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am from the US, but live in Carlisle, England. Been here since 1991. Spent 8 weeks in the US this summer, great weather 80% of the time. The Uk weather this summer in Carlisle sucked. You need nice weather to have an outdoor culture. The UK has an indoor culture because of the weather. Build with what you have! 

We have people eating with us 2-3 times a week. Hospitality is a Biblical value regardless of the culture we live in. Christians make culture, not respond or submit to culture.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from the US, but live in Carlisle, England. Been here since 1991. Spent 8 weeks in the US this summer, great weather 80% of the time. The Uk weather this summer in Carlisle sucked. You need nice weather to have an outdoor culture. The UK has an indoor culture because of the weather. Build with what you have! </p>
<p>We have people eating with us 2-3 times a week. Hospitality is a Biblical value regardless of the culture we live in. Christians make culture, not respond or submit to culture.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: jdodson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great book; check out the Bess interview by Ken Myers at Mars Hill Audio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great book; check out the Bess interview by Ken Myers at Mars Hill Audio.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Prouty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Prouty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, good thoughts. I live in a St. Louis, Missouri (USA) suburb and can attest to the fact that we have no real provision for community gathering. Walking is usually not practical, as things are so far spaced.

The yards: you are right that the opportunity is there, but practically not much interaction goes on in neighborhoods. People are usually gone from the neighborhood shopping or playing organized sports. The city is often better for this--smaller, closer.

Some areas are trying to build around a &quot;central district.&quot; I hope it works.

Les
http://reformationfaithtoday.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, good thoughts. I live in a St. Louis, Missouri (USA) suburb and can attest to the fact that we have no real provision for community gathering. Walking is usually not practical, as things are so far spaced.</p>
<p>The yards: you are right that the opportunity is there, but practically not much interaction goes on in neighborhoods. People are usually gone from the neighborhood shopping or playing organized sports. The city is often better for this&#8211;smaller, closer.</p>
<p>Some areas are trying to build around a &#8220;central district.&#8221; I hope it works.</p>
<p>Les<br />
<a href="http://reformationfaithtoday.com/" rel="nofollow">http://reformationfaithtoday.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this makes me think of the game Sim City--it must be over ten years old now. To build a city you don&#039;t place buildings, but residential, business and industrial zones (I think--it&#039;s been a long time since I played it). I don&#039;t know how else they could have done it, but I wonder if that reflected an American idea of urban planning.

A lot of American pop culture seems to reflect a yearning for community, though--small-town America is still an ideal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this makes me think of the game Sim City&#8211;it must be over ten years old now. To build a city you don&#8217;t place buildings, but residential, business and industrial zones (I think&#8211;it&#8217;s been a long time since I played it). I don&#8217;t know how else they could have done it, but I wonder if that reflected an American idea of urban planning.</p>
<p>A lot of American pop culture seems to reflect a yearning for community, though&#8211;small-town America is still an ideal.</p>
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